Ideas and arguments. >> brian: senator mccain's camp did reach out and said, look what else he wants. no more foreign aid. he wants to cut back defense. >> look, on that stuff, i'm very much with john mccain. i'm a strong military guy and all of that. but if you actual lea believe in -- actually believe in your position, better to have an argument. rand paul has gotten down really well is sounding reasonable, being diplomatic and civil. screaming about libertarian kids in their dorms, i don't think it works for the elder states in the republican party. >> brian: if he wants to talk about civil...