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Working together to reform american politics. take a look. let's start by defining the problem that you're trying to solve. we can use big phrase like drain the swamp, everyone would agree with that. what specifically are some of the problems? >> ours started with term limits. we are both of the opinion, correct me if i'm mischaracterizing your view that congress shouldn't be a career, that career mentality where people wait and wait until they are a subcommittee chairman 12 years from now, that is the fundamental dynamic and result spend all their time raising money as opposed to grappling wi...

Working together to reform american politics. take a look. let's start by defining the problem that you're trying to solve. we can use big phrase like drain the swamp, everyone would agree with that. what specifically are some of the problems? >> ours started with term limits. we are both of the opinion, correct me if i'm mischaracterizing your view that congress shouldn't be a career, that career mentality where people wait and wait until they are a subcommittee chairman 12 years from now, that is the fundamental dynamic and result spend all their time raising money as opposed to grappling wi...

Of that could change tonight as luger is suddenly the underdog, and his tea party opponent, richard murdoch, is there where none of us show up. murdoch has painted luger as someone who doesn't even show up in his state. it is that career mentality that he believes has paralyzed our conference. >> the real disease is career politicians from both sides of the aisle whose number one goal is to get reelected and their goal is to be in a position to do something after the next election. but the problem with that is, as soon as they win the next one, then they don't want to make that tough vote to t...