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Congress has a national approval rating of 28%. the re-election rate of members is 92%. they don't have to afeel to the general population. they just have to appeal to the 20% on either side. that's what we have to change and i am starting a popular movement to help implement open primaries and rank choice voting that would improve our legislators' incentives and reduce the polarization that threatens to tear our country part. >> a lot of legislatures, how likely do you think it is to change voting like that? i mean, you know, there are now increasingly bills in legislatures around the country...

Van said an sno cone. i want to be the thing that soothes people and makes them happy. >> when you look at the democratic party, the splits in washington over infrastructure, social safety net. i mean, if you're an independent, who do you think has the better argument between progressives with their $3.5 trillion pitch for spending, moderates who want to see the number cut in half at least? >> i'm someone who wants to solve problems, anderson. i happy to agree with one side's approach when it comes to infrastructure. it was a bipartisan bill at least in the senate. but the question is how can ...

Any arguments in the economy isn't doing well even when we look at corporate america, and just looking at some of the jobs numbers. it's tough, i mean overall, if you look at most of the numbers they look really good. neil: we're going to rifle through some of the big ones but had we not had the meltdown in 2008 you could make the argument that john mccain and barack obama were dead even in the poll s. the meltdown happened, it was over, and so it was another reminder then and there are other years where your campaign ing at a time when things are good, and it makes it very very tough to count...

Yet, his job approval is in the low 40s. i think republicans are relying a little too much on the historical trend of how well the economy is doing, combined with the president's re-election rate. it's different when we're talking about president trump. >> one more polling, the independent number. that's when joe biden blew out president trump. that would explain his strategy of rising above and playing to the moderates. >> i'm telling you, the last time we were sitting in this chair in a primary season, we thought the polls were telling us one thing and they were wrong. will the polls be bett...

Working together to reform american politics. take a look. let's start by defining the problem that you're trying to solve. we can use big phrase like drain the swamp, everyone would agree with that. what specifically are some of the problems? >> ours started with term limits. we are both of the opinion, correct me if i'm mischaracterizing your view that congress shouldn't be a career, that career mentality where people wait and wait until they are a subcommittee chairman 12 years from now, that is the fundamental dynamic and result spend all their time raising money as opposed to grappling wi...