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That the west still has to keep talking with russia, because they're concerned that it could eventually invade ukraine. and they have a signal to other revisionist countries like china that they are willing to act on this. this is why next week really matters, kristi. >> to keep on talking, to keep on finding those pressure points. nina desantos, a big thank you to you both. and joining me from moscow is alexander bownauf, editor in chief of carnegie.ru. sir, thank you so much for joining us. we know that veteran u.s. and russian officials will soon meet in geneva. what's going to come out of ...