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Lexis in the box. >> "wall street journal," carole lay, go ahead. >> i had two questions. one it sounds like you are saying if retrospect if you lad to do it over that this was a program that you would still support in general. then, second, what kind of impact does something like this, which highlights some obviously very negative action taken by cia officials do to morale at the cia at this point, particularly coming on top of things like the nsa revelations? >> yeah, look, when a cia officer agreed to do some edgy thing on behalf of the republic and frankly that's all they do. it's how stuf...

That -- >> it's hypocritical. >> do we know the extent? >> i knew most of the details in this report, but hearing them and seeing them in print from the raw transcripts is much more powerful than hearing about the program. >> we want to get to carole lay, former cia director michael hay den will be on strongly criticizing the report. he says it's not torture and the investigation was politicized. >> as bad as some people think cia behavior was with regard to these 100 or so detainees. if everyone on the planet used cia behavior as the model, the overall treatment of detainees on earth would ac...

And give recommendations. it doesn't have any of those. i was with the government for ten years after 9-11. let me tell you a phrase i never heard from anybody in any position of authority, whatever you guys do about the terrorism threat, please, please, don't overreact. never heard it. >> so if you look at hayden's testimony in 2007, it does not match a lot of what's in this report, which we will ask him about coming up. but carole lay the president says we pay for the mistakes, that truly the extent the white house feels about this, just mistakes along the way? >> i think more what you are s...