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Trump lied about this while under investigation, repeatedly lied to the public, putting out a false story, knowing robert mueller was looking into this, it could loom large on the obstruction of justice case mueller is believed to be assembling against the president. he can't indict the president, but he may present a report to congress on obstruction, and it could be huge. lastly, some are suggesting this is the smoking gun of collusion. i don't agree with that. my reporting on this meeting suggests the rugsssians, while some had ties to putin, didn't turn over incriminating information on hi...

Subpoena negotiations or his interview negotiations on behalf of the president in public. at the end of the day, the president is either going to agree to set for an interview, in which case there will not be a subpoena, there will be an interview at some point. or there's not. in which case mueller will decide are we going to subpoena this guy or not, are we going to litigate it, proceed without the president's interview? nothing giuliani says on television matters a whole lot to it. it's all just a kind of weird legal pr and a kind of personal pr on behalf of rudy giuliani himself and a pres...

My answer would be yes. >> he did invoke them, telling a journalist, don't show this picture of me. if you show that picture, i will kill you, the kgb will kill you the g rrk u will kill you as well. that alone could be tough talk, but combined with the case mueller is making makes this a pretty interesting individual. >> i agree. remember, their number one client in ukraine was victor yan kovich. he was support in the other ways by putten. in 2010 he wanted him to win the election. russian oilgarches supported him. they were all intertwined. >> when he hear this person dwriebed at manafort's ...

Indictments that have been handed down, a lot of guilty plea, the attempt to make it look like a witch-hunt is more difficult. but the talent of donald trump in telling repeatedly the big lie that there were spies in his campaign, that there's nothing there, there's no obstruction, that talent is holding him pretty well. but the big difference is that ken starr was out there digging stuff up looking for something. in this case mueller is looking for stuff and in the meantime, he's being undermined and what he's discovering is too complicated for anybody to uncover. what is needed is a broad, o...

To see files on the informant before trump sits down with mueller. joining me now former watergate prosecutor nick acker man, nbc analyst danny savalos and professor of law at georgetown law school paul butler. nick, you have rudy giuliani saying he wants to see the classified information for one purpose only -- to show it to donald trump's attorneys and derail the mueller investigation. >> exactly right. this is precisely what happened during the watergate investigation. john dean sat in on the fbi interviews of approximately 14 white house individuals. the whole point behind that was to get ...