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Democrats is a fidelity to governance, to get things done. >> you sort of want to have that -- >> so you can make an appeal to someone you don't agree with politically on the political side of the democratic aisle and say listen, we have to get stuff done, having a strong leader, here's why, i can put it together. here's where you'll ultimately benefit from it. and look, i saw that. the importance of having a strong leader during the health care debate when we weren't going as far as i thought we should but i knew it was important to get something done. >> right. >> the problem the republicans...

Side of the democratic aisle and say listen, we have to get stuff done, having a strong leader, here's why, i can put it together. here's where you'll ultimately benefit from it. and look, i saw that. the importance of having a strong leader during the health care debate when we weren't going as far as i thought we should but i knew it was important to get something done. >> right. >> the problem the republicans fundamentally have in this leadership thing is they have a bunch of people, 40 or so, let's choose that number. it might be more, might be less. but 40 who are saying to the other guys...

Someone win an election like that? >> first of all, it's entirely different on the democratic side because at the very foundation of liberals and progressives and democrats is a fidelity to governance, to get things done. >> you sort of want to have that -- >> so you can make an appeal to someone you don't agree with politically on the political side of the democratic aisle and say listen, we have to get stuff done, having a strong leader, here's why, i can put it together. here's where you'll ultimately benefit from it. and look, i saw that. the importance of having a strong leader during the...