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Was the desire to hold these votes for the house republicans, particularly speaker boehner, it's an opportunity to show, particularly his freshman republicans, look, our bill, house bill number one, it can't pass in the senate. we have to go back to the drawing board. even though some, including senator joe manchin, the democrat critical of the president, what are these show votes all about? why is this necessary? we all know what's going to happen. apparently this is a step in the process. i don't know if it's the stages of grief for both parties to realize, look, our respective plans can't p...

Jeff greenfield, savannah has a question for you. >> the folks on the progressive side of the democratic party as they watch these negotiations do they feel they've kind of fallen into a bizarro universe compared to expectations when the president and congress two years ago took office? are they completely discouraged say, you know what, we have no fight left? or do they mean in some sense to try to push back? >> reporter: you know, i think, you see this really, i think in the house and the democratic caucus and sort of the more liberal wing of the democratic caucus in the house. they're still...

Very cool. >> wait till you see robert gibbs. >> a new line of pastel ties. >> awesome. savannah guthrie, thanks very much. catch savannah and chuck on "the daily rundown" at 9:00 eastern tile on msnbc. coming up, new details this morning in the case of governor blagojevich and why he's asking the judge to dismiss his retrial. don't forget to tune in tomorrow, suze orman and bobby flay will be joining us here on set. wow. keep it right here on "morning joe."

>> i'd like to. >> we'll move on. joining us from the white house, co-host of "daily rundown," savannah guthrie. >> jeff greenfield is here. >> what if savannah decided to practice law? >> what if, jeff? >> next book. >> exactly. >> and her coat collection would be very different. savannah, the white house strategy moving forward to avoid a government shutdown over the battle of the budget. what's next. >> reporter: i think after the senate holds this vote, which now we think will happen today, where both the raengs proposal to cut 61 billion from this year's budget and the democrats' proposal...

Here say is, just wait, we're not there yet. let's try to get a deal, let's try to get closer. they're trying to be practical about it and strategic about it. but i think that there is frustration on the progressive side about this and a great number of issues. we just were talking yesterday about the fact that guantanamo bay prison looks to be open indefini indefinitely. that was a key campaign promise. >> savannah, look at this. did you see "the washington post" this morning? i'm putting it up on your monitor right now. did you see dee-dee myers in the "washington post." >> reporter: i didn'...