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This high stakes game of chicken. words of subpoena for his former chief strategist. mueller calling bannon's name after bannon's explosive comments in the book "fire and fury." let's start with no apologies from the president or the white house over the president's rather salty language from his oval office meeting on immigration. we did hear another insider's account of what was said when the homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen was drilled in a senate hearing. senator dick durbin was also in the oval office meeting with the president. >> how did he characterize those countries in ...

Remember a categorization of countries in africa. i think what he was saying, as far as -- best i could tell and, you know, there were about a dozen people in the room acres lot of cross conversations, a lot of rough talk by a lot of people in the room. what i understood him to be saying is let's move away from the countries and let's look at the individual and make sure that those we bring here can contribute to our society. >> you said on fox news the president used strong language. what was that strong language? >> let's see. the strong language? there was apologies. i don't remember a spec...

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Fact, nine people had been killed. made him feel bad. but also, it's noteworthy, don, it was really surprising to me was not only his surprise, but his -- how incredulous he was and kind of dig organized about it. like, what do you mean, i killed nine people? >> well, his defenders, his attorneys have said that he suffers a mental -- but that doesn't mean it's so, correct? >> that doesn't mean it's so -- >> but that's his defense? >> that is potentially a form of defense. back in july, they filed a notice to present mental health evidence during phase ii, the guilt phase. which now, dylann roo...

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