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Wait 72 hours between the tidal is introduced, until the time that it's actually voted on. other than this, though, the rose committees with the gatekeeper to the house floor. this is how debt ceiling fights, and finding fights for one and lost, he can't do anything without putting it through rules, the fact they are putting more freedom caucus numbers there who don't want to continue funding to ukraine, we do want to do debt ceiling hikes, we do want to do larger omnibus spending bills. that is a key piece, here it's a future for these folks, not a bug. >> we're gonna return to, that because ...

So, you -- would think you would have some negotiating leverage within the caucus itself using other caucus numbers to get that pressure to bare minimum 20. it's because something that i learned a very early in my tenure at the rnc with the emergence of the tea party. it's that for them and for a lot of the remnants of what is left inside the freedom caucus, jim jordan was part of that original class, uhm -- it's a two-pronged approach. one is respect, right? because they don't ever feel that they have been respected in the process by the process. and to, leverage. they've never had elaborate ...

Seats, including the most recent election. nancy pelosi is the reason that most of those democrats won because she by her leadership, and only by her leadership, got the aca passed without any republican votes. >> ed: but pardon me, she did such a great job, why are a rising number of democrats saying, no, we want a new face? >> when you consider what the caucus numbers are, i don't think 17 is a rising number. i understand the need for change but nancy pelosi was a great speaker and saved the country when she found the votes for atari, on the president past the tarp program. she saved the aca...

That. now those leaders are trying to sell the plan, which keeps some popular provisions of obamacare in place. >> this is the legislative tax of that plan that we ran in 2016. tom price is now the secretary of hhs, the architect of it. 12 caucus numbers for the cosponsors of that bill as early as december. we are going for what i would call the typical growing pains of being an opposition party, fighting barack obama and nancy closely and harry reid to a governing party. i'm really excited. a spill must talk about it with cory elaine, who served as communication advisor. he's a big fan of oba...

We can talk and everybody can talk all day long. until you get 218 in the house. until you get numbers in the senate, you are nowhere. you have to put the caucus numbers together. >> the only way to possibly get the numbers in the house by hiking rates, let's say to 37, would be if you got something substantial and real on entitlements. if you are going to beat promise -- >> where is the signal and light at the end of the tunnel that is going to happen? no one said one thing -- >> obama side? >> yeah. >> if he holds out, i think it will not. nothing in the house will go over a cliff. if he hol...