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Phenomenon. and i think the evidence in this case that is quite strong for, you know, the sort of idea of how he became radicalized is that the people that were targeted, people like brennan and clapper, those weren't household names until donald trump sort of took them on. i think we just -- those linkages will be found in the investigation. >> very good points. thank you. appreciate it. i need to bring in a doctor now. and javier amadore, a forensic psychologist. thank you, sir, you listened to this, you heard what juliette talked about, caustic terror as well. you weren't able to join us on...

And javier amadore, a forensic psychologist. thank you, sir, you listened to this, you heard what julia talked about, caustic terror as well. you weren't able to join us on the show last night but you sent your thoughts on a profile for the suspect. you nailed it. you said the simplest possible explanation is usually right. you predicted a male harboring a lot of hatred and anger, encouraged by the president's rhetoric. how did you come to these conclusions? >> well, i've worked on a lot of terrorism cases. i'm a clinical psychologist, but also a forensic psychologist. my very first case was t...