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And even if you walk a little bit back from how the cbo analysis is, that doesn't really matter, the fundamentals are a lot of coverage loss, and premiums don't go down. i think that is the real issue. >> shannon: all right, we do have this one cbo prediction that says by 2020, they are down by 30%, but the american metal so she and today it first do no harm. the draft legislation sets the standard on many levels, but what they go on to say is that they are worried about people losing access not to affordable quality health care, but losing access to insurance coverage, and the listen, doug, w...

And tax reform is going to be even harder. and most americans really didn't vote for tax reform on cutting taxes, cutting taxes on big corporations was not part of the agenda. so it will be a heavier lift to get that through. and president trump will have to get in the weeds more. this time he's been above the fray. >> daniel lippman, sit tight, see you at the bottom of the hour. joining us onset is cal perry. kevin brady confirmed there's not going to be a cbo score on this final bill. and the previous cbo scores were not that flattering, that's for sure. >> and that's a bit crazy. but the ...