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the minister of humanitarian affairs told journalists that more than 1.3 million people had been displaced in the worst now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. in the increasingly overt struggle between western liberal democracy and authoritarianism, hong kong's position is unique. it is chinese sovereign territory granted special autonomous status under a handover deal done with britain. many hong kongers hoped that deal would guarantee theirfreedoms, but those hopes have been crushed. my guest is ted hui, a hong kong pro—democracy politician exile...

my guest is ted hui, a hong kong pro—democracy politician exiled in australia and convicted in absentia by a hong kong court. has beijing neutralised hong kong's dissenters? thank you. my pleasure to talk to you. you, of course, arejoining me from australia because you fled from your home, from hong kong, in late 2021, and you said you left with a very heavy heart. did you also leave with a sense of defeat? i don't, because... it's common that people might think that way. it's like an escapist guilt. but as long as i'm still fighting, as long as i'm still speaking up for hong kong'...

And they don't tell me directly, "0h, we are quite afraid," but they have reserves sometimes to invite me or to allow me to speak in their lecture halls. i can feel it, so... but then that is why i feel it's myjob to put them in the test as well, so that the society, the local australian society, can see whether they are afraid and what they are afraid of. and they can feel the infiltration and the censorship, the self—censorship, that the government is imposing onto themselves. i think this is a good thing against these kinds of confrontations. let the world see the real nature, not only th...