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One thing in his favor. think he's really interested in education. deroy, your thoughts. i really think that's one thing the country agrees on we don't succeed on education. we have to figure it out somehow, whether vouchers. or something. >> i think you're right about that. he did some good things with school choice in florida. maybe if we still have a department of education under the next president, perhaps secretary of education. i think that would be a good thing but i don't want to see him in the oval office as president of the united states. two bushes within a few years is more than en...

Take on a president, who is still seen as a little bit shaky in terms of experience. they want somebody with a business horse sense. they don't seem to have one in mitt romney because he's boring. i think deroy is right. i think he doesn't have the spontaneity, the novelty you want in a candidate and that's important to people. >> it's tough to beat the mannequin line, so i won't even go there. poll numbers are troubling for people like sarah palin who in state poll after state poll that we're seeing doesn't fare well in barack obama in even tennessee i think the republican primary voters are ...

Sam, my thing the first thing, what you want, find who fits that. they seem to want a solid, experienced executive who can take on a president, who is still seen as a little bit shaky in terms of experience. they want somebody with a business horse sense of they don't seem to have one in mitt romney because he's boring. i think de roy is right. i think he doesn't have the spontaneity, the novelty you want in a candidate and that's important to people. >> it's tough to beat the mannequin line, so i won't even go there. poll numbers are troubling for people like sarah palin who in state poll aft...

That's the main problem. you're not talking about a wider electorate a primary electorate. >> do you know what i think he's going on. one thing in his favor. i think he's really interested in education. deroy, your thoughts. one thing the country agrees on we don't succeed on education. we have to figure it out somehow, whether vouchers. >> i think you're right about that. he did some good things with school choice in florida. if we have a department of education under the next president, perhaps secretary of education. i think that would be a good thing but i don't want to see him in the oval...

Conservative, not a wet -- >> not at all. very dry. >> all end up being moderates when they get in there. let's look at what rich lowery said in the national review, the editor, he wants bush to run for the following reasons. field wide open. 2016 would be too late for jeb if he waits another four years. waiting doesn't seem to work for people. he also says he'll still be a bush in $'26 and that's a negative. deroy said no. what do you say. >> he's bringing the one-liners tonight. i hate to disagree with him on jeb. aids report a couple months ago, shocking to me democrats are fearful of jeb m...