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Interview and joint interview seen as a passing off of the baton there. and this is, i think in a lot of folks' eyes, biden, maybe a lit tool late. you had a feeling in the biden camp, a lot of love given off to hillary clinton, a lot of aides that supported obama are in that camp too. so, the sort of structural sort of campaign in waiting doesn't exist around biden. and so far you haven't had obama give the kind of -- you know, sort of passing of the baton to biden either. that you have seen him do with hillary clinton. but, so i mean, you know we'll see. we don't know what is going on in, in...

You had a feeling in the biden camp, a lot of love given off to hillary clinton, a lot of aides that supported obama are in that camp too. so, the sort of structural sort of campaign in waiting doesn't exist around biden. and so far you haven't had obama give the kind of -- you know, sort of passing of the baton to biden either. that you have seen him do with hillary clinton. but, so i mean, you know we'll see. we don't know what is going on in, in barack obama's mind. in terms of who've he would rather see in that role, running, i think what we do know is that he is a competitive person like ...

>> you're a margaret thatcher conservative, not a wet -- >> not at all. very dry. >> all end up being moderates when they get in there. let's look at what rich lowery said in the national review, the editor, he wants bush to run for the following reasons. field wide open. 2016 would be too late for jeb if he waits another four years. waiting doesn't seem to work for people. he also says he'll still be a bush in '26 and that's a negative. deroy said no. what do you say. >> he's bringing the one-liners tonight. i hate to disagree with him on jeb. aids report a couple months ago, shocking to me d...

And all those that end up being moderates when they get in there. let's look at what rich lowery said in "the national review." editor, he wants bush to run for the following reasons. field wide open. 2016 would be too late for jeb if he waits another four years. waiting doesn't seem to work for people. he also says he'll still be a bush in '26 and still have that on his shoulders, and that's a any difficult. deroy said no. what do you say, sam? >> deroy is bringing the one-liners tonight action and i hate to disagree with him on jeb. aids report a couple months ago, shocking to me democrats a...

Conservative, not a wet -- >> not at all. very dry. >> all end up being moderates when they get in there. let's look at what rich lowery said in the national review, the editor, he wants bush to run for the following reasons. field wide open. 2016 would be too late for jeb if he waits another four years. waiting doesn't seem to work for people. he also says he'll still be a bush in $'26 and that's a negative. deroy said no. what do you say. >> he's bringing the one-liners tonight. i hate to disagree with him on jeb. aids report a couple months ago, shocking to me democrats are fearful of jeb m...