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Threatening to torch whatever credibility the justice department has left because of what he's doing. and that will be a huge, huge error for the country and for him. >> so let me ask you something. the justice department lawyers either pull back on this or they go back to the court and try to get this done. but there's no chance that someone in the government is trying to -- is going to try and get that citizenship question on the census extrajudicially, right? going around the courts. doing something -- because i feel like that would be illegal. >> well, nothing that this administration does...

Credibility the justice department has left because of what he's doing. and that will be a huge, huge error for the country and for him. >> so let me ask you something. the justice department lawyers either pull back on this or they go back to the court and try to get this done. but there's no chance that someone in the government is trying to -- is going to try and get that citizenship question on the census extrajudicially, right? going around the courts. doing something -- because i feel like that would be illegal. >> well, nothing that this administration does at this point surprises me. a...

Go back to the court and try to get this done. but there's no chance that someone in the government is trying to -- is going to try and get that citizenship question on the census extrajudicially, right? going around the courts. doing something -- because i feel like that would be illegal. >> well, nothing that this administration does at this point surprises me. and we've even had a member of congress, a sitting member of congress, say yeah, go ahead, defy the federal courts, president trump, and do the right thing, add the citizenship question. i mean, this administration's relationship to t...