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What we want. in 2020 he tried to run again as the i chaos guy. but this time around, both biden and trump, i think, can can get the voters don't want chaos and the problem is voters think that biden, you might have the control room is empty, trump, that's a wrecking ball. so who is going to create stability, calm, normalcy in my life. voters want it. it must be that trump advisers have gotten to him and said, you need to tone this down. >> he was arguing that it was overblown and it was another conspiracy like the other things that russia or ukraine. this is what he was saying about how peopl...

January 6th. you can see what message he's trying to drive, but he can't help himself undercut it at every turn. >> and then, when he talked about the january 6th, those who are in prison, saying that they are living in -- concerned about -- i mean, on reformed, unrepentant, an improved, we run donald. and if you are watching this trying to figure out what's gonna happen to america, you should be very worried. he threw ukraine under the bus, just threw them under the bus. so, a vote for this guy is a vote for a putin victory. period, point blank, you can get away from that. he would not say th...

Throwing our allies under the bus that weight on trumpeted. >> so, i'm down here at the loan end of the table. look, what explains the fact to america, maybe jamie gangel's comment was blown up -- but half of the united states still likes this guy. you heard john king say, he may be the next president of the united states. he may be the next president of the united states. so, i know, he's a terrible human being. he said all these bad things. but a lot of americans listen to what he said, and said, oh, yeah, that's back, but it's better than the current situation. or it's bad, but i can't take...

Of accomplishments he could talk about tonight, and you know, i was hoping to hear more of that. but, you know, everybody better -- who's watching out on this cnn at work, who may be wringing their hands and say, this guy is terrible, they better get ready, because he may be the next president of the u.s.. he did make news, at least in my opinion, on the abortion front, because every other candidate that i have heard, they said i will vote, you know, unceremoniously, i will support a total ban on abortion at the federal level. and former president trump refuses that. he said, i would negotiate...

But if you are a politician, and you're just willing to blow through facts, and low through challenges, and insist on your version of the truth, you know, there is some advantage to that and he's proved it. >> kristen? >> this is the donald trump that we have always known. he is who he is. and if you are a voter who is looking at next november, and thinking, you are dreading this rematch between donald trump and joe biden, we got confirmation that the rematch is a re-run, that we've already seen exactly what donald trump's, and he's not bringing some new donald trump 2.0 to the campaign trail....