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What is this exercise that we go through at this point? what is is about? >> kennedy: that's a great question. >> chris: democrats have been pushing this a lot, some republicans pushing this a lot, trying to double down on the character attacks on the president. it didn't seem to work before if the access hollywood tapes didn't change people's minds. i don't think dating a playboy model bill. so the only real question now is as a going to be illegal? but again, it's worth looking at the polls because if you look in a lot of the places you'd expect his poll numbers to be doing badly, hispanic r...

He now has a new attorney who is still a little camera shy but not completely against him doing it. there's a sense, a belief by mr. cohen, and people this cohenland, that there is going to be an onslaught coming from people in the president's orbit. either character attacks or further attempt to distance themselves and the president from michael cohen. so there is a window of time where he felt like, i am going to try to restore my reputation before this attack. >> is it, does he have good reason to believe that there will be this kind of assault? is he imagining it? >> our sense is that it i...

That there is going to be an onslaught coming from people in the president's orbit, either character attacks or further attempt to distance themselves and the president from michael cohen. so there is a window of time where he felt like, i am going to try to restore my reputation before this attack. is it -- does mr. cohen have good reason to believe there is going to be this kind of assault? is he imagining this might happen, but it's potentially a delusion? >> my sense is that it's not imagined, and that he has -- he feels he has concrete reason to believe that that would be coming down the ...

To war with jim comey. >> one last question, jim comey and andrew mccabe, both are witnesses in the mueller investigation into the possible obstruction of justice by the president. how do these attacks play into the president's state of mind? >> these look like the kind of care and character attacks that are in an effort of assassinating a witness before he is being cross examined on the witness stand. these are not the actions you'd hear from the president of the united states. i don't believe president clinton when he had to fire his fbi for misconduct. it's hard to -- risk that both mccabe ...

Honest, 60% of americans said no. and that includes 62% of independents and 20% of republicans. he does not have any political capital to use. >> adam schiff i think just competed something in line with that. we'll wait till we can pull that up. here's adam schiff. it's true that mueller has impaneled a grand jury, all the more important that congress protects his independence. this underscores what you're saying that the mueller probe is on its own track, immune to character attacks and right wing media that are really audacious. i mean, hard to be shocked anymore but what you see in this med...