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Zelenskys inauguration in may, i believe you testified it was one of the largest delegations . I believe it was. I cant be 100 sure. I believe it was the Largest National delegation. Okay. And included in the delegation was Secretary Perry . Secretary perry, ambassador sondland, myself, senator ron johnson was there and also the charge daffaires at the u. S. Embassy at the time, joe pennington. We talked a little bit this morning, but president zelenskys inauguration came together rather quickly . It did. I believe we had about three days notice in which to put the delegation together. Theres ...

Witnesses about who giuliani is and what he is doing as it relates to the united states security interests. the other thing is that this witness for the republicans gave a rousing character defense of joe biden. >> yes. >> there is a real disconnect when the republicans say, call this witness, call this witness, and almost the first thing the witness did was say, any discussion that joe biden would be involved in coloring his official duties by something involving burisma is just ludicrous on its face. and that couldn't have been a good moment for the president, to have this witness say, hey, ...

Quietly and i wouldn't have to come on the show. >> what is the defense then? you're offering you're a character defense -- what's. >> the defense is he didn't do it. he participated as a staff member on a traffic city. as far as i can read from the papers i'm getting as much information as you are. i'm not a lawyer and him and i haven't talked about the details of the case. we have an excerpt from a memo here and there. we all know ambitious prosecutors have to come down with indictments. >> that sounds key then, the idea that the defense here could be that he believed this was -- he knew thi...