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Behavior in the past, we feel they can never change? >> no, this was always wrong and people knew it was wrong. the idea that there was a point where al franken would have seriously to argued ten years ago it was okay to grope a woman or grab her and kiss her is ridiculous. they knew it was wrong -- >> it's a character issue then and today? >> i don't think al franken is rotten to the core, and his colleagues don't think that, and this was a difficult position for the female senators, and the fact there are so many female senators in the democratic party is why this is happening. it was the wo...

I've said it before on this show. and i'll say it again. the guy is a pedophile. what does it mean that the most powerful man in the world has just given a full throated defense of a pedophile, an endorsement? a pedophile? >> this is something that all of my conservative friends who said well, the character issue doesn't matter with trump because, you know, the policies are good and who cares about some treats or some aspects of his background. we're now seeing exactly what the character she means. when a president who is himself so profoundly morally compromised on this issue succeeds in what...

Predicting anything about the trump administration. it is possible that this becomes a huge issue because it is a character issue. it is unthinkable that he did this. it may or may not be legally proper. if he traded interests with the russians that gets pretty close to the edge. if he agreed to violate the law which apparently he has by not enforcing the bill duly passed by congress by a huge margin that required sanctions on the russians and he is refusing to implement it then it is pretty clear that is violating the law and it borders on treason. so we don't know what is going on. there is ...

Yes. but our business is very much about the cult of celebrity and sadly has become more so in recent years. decline of local news. decline of funding for the kind of journalism that we all here want to be doing, want to be continuing to doing. that funding has decreased. networks have had to pump their money behind stars to draw rating, to draw advertising, to keep this business going. it is a culture that has become toxic in some respects. we have to learn these lessons and address culture as well. >> with the growth of social media, these stars have become bigger stars. they have become mor...

>> he used the free ryan widmer website to pick up chicks. >> it sounds like it fell apart for you on the character issue. >> it did. the wallpaper of the case changed. >> day two in the courthouse was going round and round. >> i felt awful. >> i was nauseous. i hadn't felt that way for 20 years. >> the jurors were working their way through the evidence. they parsed the 911 call. >> my wife fell asleep in the bathtub, i think she's dead. >> the more you listen to it, the more and more it starts to sound like it was staged. >> there was sarah's body. officers testified it was too dry. >> 2 1/2 ...