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A safe bet for america, that may be unheard of. that's extraordinarily reckless and dangerous. if you've got those kind of secrets, that kind of behavior going on, that means somebody can knock on your door and say guess what, buddy, you're going to give me all this information, tell me what's going on, give me all the code words or i'm going to out you. that person is a complete threat to the country. if you've got one, you've got two and a big problem in the fire department. >> i don't think jared kushner has full security clearance. >> i think at this point it's a worthy point of inquiry to...

While we have this incredible growth, it's not where people say i, too, claim part of the middle class. >> do we in washington overrate character? i say this because the republican party, americans go, how come it doesn't count? i'm old enough to remember bob dole in '96 and complaining how come character -- he thought bill clinton had a character problem, beth. >> he did. >> but the voters, they made a decision. and went another direction. and the voters made it -- it's not like donald trump hid his character in the campaign. are we collectively overrating character? >> what i think is signif...

>> was it a character issue or did we underrate the picture sepgs of a character problem on the clinton side? i can't note but parallels of bill clinton in the '90s and how many times we thought character would trip him in '92, '96, 2000 and george w. bush almost elected because of it. >> putting them on the same footing. trump and clinton. that was tough. she'd never got out of that but i think the deeper challenge is to hold their nose, recognizing all the character flaws and something -- a deeper undercurrent happening in the country. >> this is where it's an amazing agreement on this. we h...

Turns to easily known facts versus easily dismissed claims that we have to worry about his ability to discern reality, the kind of reality he needs to grasp when dealing with north korea and its ballistic missiles. so here we go. what do we make of a person, forget he's president for the moment, who denies that it is he there on that camera being recorded? what does it mean when trump denies the undeniable that it's him on that "access hollywood" tape, the one for which billy bush was fired. do we take him as a liar, a lunatic as kim jong-un called him or simply a guy with a character problem....

Character. and i think that how's he govern? the tweets, the attacking, you know whoever, other u.s. senators, other republican senators. i mean, donald trump, it's not just an ideological problem, donald trump has a character problem. >> guys, we could talk -- >> i could disagree with that -- >> what?! no way! just kidding. go ahead. >> shocker, breaking news, this is a numbers game. you can whine about donald trump all you want, when jeff flake is at 18% in approval ratings, half it will phone book in phoenix probably has higher ratings than he does. it was a numbers game, he knew he was don...