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We have james forestal, who was in charge of the cold war with the soviet union and he was raving paranoid, ultimately jumped out of the 15th floor of his hospital, killed himself, fearing that russian planes were coming. imagine having a secretary of defense who was paranoid so we have to understand the concept of mental illness is a serious one. we shouldn't use it politically just against people whose policies we don't like, and it's very important to give the benefit of the doubt to the candidate that what they're doing is calculated and rational without trying to diagnose them or attribut...

Have right now. >> so you see, some the issues like guns, abortion rights for women, very strong differences. donald trump on abortion rights wants to do away with roe v. wade, leave it up to the states he says, hillary clinton of course supports abortion rights for women. >> that's right, and it really shows you why if you took the personalities and character traits out of these candidates, not easy, but if you could try, you could see that this could and should be a very, very tight race. and if you just look at cnn's poll right after the debate last night, on all of the issues, they were al...

It's a courtesy he doesn't afford the majority of the politicians in his own party. they don't understand as he and trump do that at this crazy cynical juncture there's a band of voters so distrustful of the usual he ti commonwealth their valor lies in viciousness, integrity in insult. trump and cruz are only too happy to oblige. joe, what do you think, there's so much here i don't know where to begin. >> well, i guess, frank, obviously as you're writing the column you were not only looking at the character traits that seemed repugnant to you and many others but you also, obviously, had to thi...

I was walking down fifth avenue the other night with my son thomas and i looked up and there was trump tower. it may not be the prettiest building and may be too tall and too gross for fifth avenue because of what was there before, bonwit teller. but it got done. you have to deal with the mob, with the city council, all this stuff, but year after year, building after building, he gets it done. he has product to show. is he effective when it matters to him? that's one factor. put that on the table. should he be president of the united states? that's a question for the public. what i think will ...

I love my men. i was going to save them. he would think we're making a big deal about it but i think it is a big deal. it's pretty amazing. >> he would say that's his duty. that's how that generation -- that's why they were called among the greatest generation. what would you want people to remember about your dad? >> i would want them to remember that he was an ordinary everyday american. he loved his country. he loved his community. he loved god. he loved people. and the same character traits that he had, the same powers if you so to speak that he had, we all have. the power to influence peo...