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He thinks the russia investigation is going to force the president out of the running in 2020 especially when you add in the michael cohen developments this week. what are your thoughts to what joe scarborough said? >> i don't want to make political predictions. i think having served on the intelligence committee and looking at what the special counsel is doing, i think we need to stop speculating and let them do their job. it will come to a conclusion at that time. when it does, we'll see what the implications are, the impacts are. i think all of the speculation is not helpful because it's al...

But to some women, that's their right. >> let's talk about someone who is a feminist icon to many. that would be hillary clinton. this relative to "the new york times" report. a book titled "chasing hillary." in this book, she alleges that some of the men on the clinton campaign trail were sexist towards her. and i asked congresswoman debbie dingell about that. here's what she told me. >> at times there were people that made me feel like i didn't know what i was talking about. i think subsequently to that, many people, including both the president and secretary clinton v said debbie was right ...

>> there is a book called "chasing hillary: 10 years, two presidential campaigns and one latest glass ceiling." amy says how there were people who were against her. how do you feel about that? >> there were times people didn't list ton when to what i talking about. but i don't -- i don't know at times if it was as much sexist as it was they knew what they were doing and the rest of us didn't know what we were doing, and they were going to go by -- i'm an old-fashioned person. i listen to people. god gave us two ears and a mouth for a reason. and all those numbers and all that quantification, i...

Outlets like judicial watch and others. >> laura: media matters. move on.org. think progress. let me count the ways. >> but they don't sue. judicial watch is very effective. >> laura: it's foia requests. talk about something that's kind of funnel. this is fun. >> for you. >> laura: no. it's fun. this is the new book out by amy of the "new york times." and we have a couple of fun experts. >> i bet. >> laura: she covered hillary clinton for 10 years. the book is called chasing hillary, 10 years, two presidential campaigns and one intact glass ceiling. she lost because she woman, don't you know. ...

Very effective live used outlets like judicial watch and others. >> laura: media matters. move on.org. think progress. let me count the ways. >> but they don't sue. judicial watch is very effective. >> laura: it's foia requests. >> yeah, and i'm not attacking it. >> laura: i want to talk about something that's kind of fun. >> for you. >> laura: no. it's fun. this is the new book out by amy of the "new york times." and we have a couple of fun experts. >> i bet. >> laura: she covered hillary clinton for 10 years. the book is called chasing hillary, 10 years, two presidential campaigns and one in...