but to some women, that's their right. >> let's talk about someone who is a feminist icon to many. that would be hillary clinton. this relative to "the new york times" report. a book titled "chasing hillary." in this book, she alleges that some of the men on the clinton campaign trail were sexist towards her. and i asked congresswoman debbie dingell about that. here's what she told me. >> at times there were people that made me feel like i didn't know what i was talking about. i think subsequently to that, many people, including both the president and secretary clinton v said debbie was right the entire campaign, and john podesta. but i don't -- i don't know at times if it was as much sexist as it was they knew what they were doing. all those numbers and all that qualification, it doesn't come up with really understanding what's in people's hearts and souls. sometimes some of the men in