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>> edgar: it depends what kind of man you are. if you are a coward you would go from the corner. >> anthony: from the corner, well, i'm a manly man. >> edgar: so you go from the middle. >> andrew: for somebody that does what i do -- write about chefs, for people who are chefs -- i think tony was like as cool as they came. right, everyone wanted to be -- it was that classic line -- everybody wants to be him. he was a cool guy, he could write, he was natural on television. the "chef swagger," that's tony -- i mean, that started in some ways with tony. he epitomized that. confident, smart, super ...

Of man you are. if you are a coward you would go from the corner. >> anthony: from the corner, well, i'm a manly man. >> edgar: so you go from the middle. >> andrew: for somebody that does what i do -- write about chefs, for people who are chefs -- i think tony was like as cool as they came. right, everyone wanted to be -- it was that classic line -- everybody wants to be him. he was a cool guy, he could write, he was natural on television. the "chef swagger," that's tony -- i mean, that started in some ways with tony. he epitomized that. confident, smart, super computer brain that could spit ...

Now, is there an appropriate way to attack this or does one go at it from an angle? >> if you were a coward you would go from the corner. >> well, i'm a manley man. >> so you go in the middle. >> all right. >> for somebody who does what i do, write about chefs for people who are chefs, tony was as cool as they came. it was that classic line, everybody wants to be him. he was a cool guy. he could write. he was natural on television, a chef swagger. that's -- i mean, that started in some ways with tony. or he epitomized that. confident, smart, super computer brain that could spit out these incre...