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And to, you know, describe the theatre and the Home Front and all the elements of war, but i was very worried whether i would come across as some kind of creepy tourist who was just kind of feasting on the unusual sight and ticking it off on a weird bucket list. That wasnt my intention, i was invited there, but im aware that its a sensitive area, isnt it . Oh, but you can see. I mean, vitaly, im sure, agrees with me that the reaction of ukrainians that you were there, they were very honoured, they were so pleased, because they know you, and also because you have become a well known advocate of...

Its a great pleasure to be in your presence, stephen. People in ukraine know who you are, they follow you, and they appreciate what you do. No, im thrilled to be here. It was extraordinary to visit ukraine almost a year ago, and i still think about it almost every day and follow whats going on in the news with puzzlement, hope, sometimes despair, and often bafflement. Wars are such complex machines, beasts, whatever we want to call them, arent they . And its very hard to understand them. And, you know, youre a journalist, you both have every right to visit and to be embedded amongst military a...

Across as some kind of creepy tourist who was just kind of feasting on the unusual sight and ticking it off on a weird bucket list. That wasn't my intention, i was invited there, but i'm aware that it's a sensitive area, isn't it? oh, but you can see. . . I mean, vitaly, i'm sure, agrees with me that the reaction of ukrainians that you were there, they were very honoured, they were so pleased, because they know you, and also because you have become a wellknown advocate of what is a growing issue for ukraine, and that is how to deal with mental health. Yeah, yeah. And that's why i went there. O...

Although i do acknowledge that the garden state punches way above its weight when it comes to political scandals. [indistinct conversations] in 2004, the democratic governor of new jersey, Jim Mcgreevey, stepped into a press room just like this and became an Overnight Sensation when he admitted to a gay affair and resigned in the same speech. A governor coming out of the closet was genuinely shocking, a careerkiller at that time. Looking back, though, i cant help but feel that we were also quick to embrace the headline that we may have forgotten to dig a little deeper, because the reason why J...

In 2004, the democratic governor of new jersey, Jim Mcgreevey, stepped into a press room just like this and became an Overnight Sensation when he admitted to a gay affair and resigned in the same speech. A governor coming out of the closet was genuinely shocking, a careerkiller at that time. Looking back, though, i cant help but feel that we were also quick to embrace the headline that we may have forgotten to dig a little deeper, because the reason why Jim Mcgreevey resigned is a lot more complicated than we remember. Ah, new jersey americas communal jacuzzi, or cesspool, depending on who you...