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Going to be much more than that. they will be investigating using subpoena power for hhs. they will be using it for epa, they will be using it on every issue they possibly can. >> child separations at the border. >> absolutely. >> puerto rico deaths. >> absolutely. it will be all-consuming for the white house. and i think, if they thought the last two years were hard, they have not seen anything yet. >> and they have not fully grasped that yet. a lot of people who came with president trump to washington were people who weren't in washington before that. so i do not think that there's a serious...

Families, not taking care of americans in the path of a storm. so whether it actually matters in a substantive way as a matter of symbolism it, obviously, was not well thought through. >> eugene? >> it certainly can't help, can it? to take money after, you know, 3,000 people die in puerto rico and take money away from fema and you send it over so you can make jails for babies. that is appalling. and it totally is unacceptable. >> fema has always been or has typically been not a political pot of money. after 9/11, new york city got the money to -- i mean after katrina and i was in the white hou...

Putting her in a tough environment against a strong opponent. what happens if she loses. >> and i think a lot of republicans are nostalgic for the way it was. that state is changing. mcsally, yes, is the future. if that future is a little more left of center, i don't know. >> deucy and mcsally both to me are the perfect bridge for mccain flake. but the problem is that ain't what the base wants. you watch martha mcsally, she's trying to -- desperately trying to channel the energy and rage of the base without having to side with them. tough call for her. patriotism thing they're doing is fascina...

Covering past midterms, there are voters who will literally vote against the white house party in the midterm and then come back to it by the following. different than resistance. take a listen to rush limbaugh saying it all boils down to trump hate. >> in the democrats win, what are we going to get? the democrats are basing this blue wave on one thing, trump hatred. the resistance. they're not basing it on people's desire for democrat policies. now, isn't that kind of flimsy? >> is that flimsy? >> well, that's not really true. i mean, look, there is a lot of angst and anger on donald trump th...

I think it would be a mistake and i don't think it would be necessary. >> president trump and republicans on capitol hill at odds over whether a shut down over immigration border wall funding should be on the table. joining us now a member of the judiciary committee, senator hirono. there's a hearing on child separations at the border this morning. senator, thanks for being with us. i want to get your view on this idea of a government shutdown, the president who for years has promised mexico would pay for it. now says he'll shut down the government if democrats and republicans in the senate do...