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challenges if we win the next election because the public finances are in a parlous state. but i don't think you can have a serious plan to grow your economy unless you've got a serious plan to deliver the early years and childcare that parents need right now. at the minute, we've got so many women who are cutting back on their hours or giving upjobs they love because childcare just isn't there or they can't afford it. it's a big priority for me to put that right. i know it's a big priority for keir as well. he said that it's going to be on our next pledge card. in the last few weeks and months, shadow ministers have started to really prepare for the possibility of getting into government, haven't they? you've had permanent secretaries in, former senior officials in government departments to advise you, former ministers and so on. you now behave almost as if you're a minister. so before you make that promise, do you have to negotiate it with a shadow chancellor? if you had to sit around a table and argue, we're not quite at that stage, is that going to come in the months to come? rachel reeves doesn't take much persuading that this has got to be
or giving up jobs they love because childcare just isn't there or they can't afford it. it's a big priority for me to put that right. i know it's a big priority for keir as well. he said that it's going to be on our next pledge card. in the last few weeks and months, shadow ministers have started to really prepare for the possibility of getting into government, haven't they? you've had permanent secretaries in, former senior officials in government departments to advise you, former ministers and so on. you now behave almost as if you're a minister. so before you make that promise, do you have to negotiate it with a shadow chancellor? if you had to sit around a table and argue, we're not quite at that stage, is that going to come in the months to come? rachel rees doesn't take much persuading that this has got to be a big priority for the next labour government because it's the real, it's the unaddressed area of education policy for me. couple of headlines because it's not a policy interview, butjust to see where you're going. private schools stay open. they pay more tax. they will pay more
so not something that is just one when we're at school orjust when we're sat in a classroom or something that we have with us right throughout our lives or from the earliest years, right through our lives as adults, none of us should ever think that we've finished learning or our education is at an end. and i think with the shift that we're going to see in the economy, with that transition around net zero, it's more important than ever that we give people opportunities throughout their lives to upskill. you went to estonia recently, didn't you? and they have state—run kindergartens. is that practical here? i mean, at a time we're talking of cutting spending and that frankly is what a labour government would face as well, difficult economic times. is that something really that we're going to be able to do in the future? we will, of course, face big challenges if we win the next election because the public finances are in a parlous state. but i don't think you can have a serious plan to grow your economy unless you've got a serious plan to deliver the early years and childcare that parents need right now. at the minute, we've got so many women who are cutting back on their hours or giving upjobs they love because childcare just isn't there or they can't afford it. it's a big priority for me to put that right. i know it's a big priority