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across and i know that even when i went back to his homeland in bavaria. everybody who knew him for generations looked back at joseph robson there as somebody who was so close to them even though he chose to stay in the vatican after his resignation. rather than go back to his homeland which he loves so very much so i think that narrative of people realizing was a little distorted because he is really somebody very gentle and very loving with a true passion for god. >> george who is the pope emeritus that you knew, who was the pope you knew, you knew him when he was serving. john paul. and i wonder how you account for the man you knew as opposed to the view of a lot of catholics, american catholics have of him. a name that stuck. a nickname that stuck, which was the rottweiler. because of the traditional church doctrine he worked so much about. >> chris, that ridiculous and

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course was a world from all over the world. people, not only spilling out of their piazzas spilling down the streets. millions came and so i think one of the biggest differences for us here on the ground will just be purely the size and the scale and the spectacle of this mass. as far as the actual mass. the readings are slightly different. there are certain readings reserved for sitting popes. chris everything will be slightly pared down and slightly tweaked. but really as far as the layout of the mass. and the function and the sections of the mass we are expecting it to be very similar to a sitting pope. >> thank you so much for that molly. also with this, for our coverage from the vatican nbc news senior vatican analyst george weigel and msnbc vatican analyst devin -- and vatican correspondent at the national catholic reporter and msnbc analyst christopher white, it is good to have all of you there and george pope francis will not be giving a eulogy which might come as a surprise to people who are not

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funerals. now, you already talked about his radical move. pope benedict the 16th. radical move, retiring in 2013. in death, this radical move is defining the vatican. and altering the course. really of history. now i am looking around. and it is somber chris. it is exciting. people were kind of running up with their families and looking forward to being able to witness this. and we will kick off in just about half an hour. people here really excited to celebrate and be here. to note the man. not just the idea, not just his speeches. not just his incredible theologically legacy. but the people we have been talking to all week have really personal stories about the interactions with bandages. about personal interactions going to see him around the world. and really remember that he was a father and grandfather chris. >> molly, tell us about the

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that he will ultimately be remembered for chris. is that he opened the door. showed a different way for hopes to come as to how they can handle this enormous job. and yet when they feel they can't step aside and i was looking at his last speech in the piazza. the last general audience. and the thing that he said about his decision, he said loving the church means also having the courage to make difficult and painful decisions. always looking to the good of the church. and not of ones south. that is what drove that decision. he did not think he could leave the catholic church anymore. and created this historic event. >> and i think that for a lot of people, part of the shock of what they saw is the contradiction between this traditionalist and somebody who was breaking new ground in an extraordinary way. >> i think that is true. you have to remember that in

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years of conversation with this man. that is the thing that really strikes me. absolutely central to his life. he was in love with the lord. and he wanted others to be able to do the same thing. >> chris, you spent time talking to those who came to see the pope emeritus benedict. lying in state. i wonder what they told you about what it was about them that compelled them to come to rome for this. >> it was the way in which, something inspired. the vocations to the catholic priesthood. this is something that i think they will spend the rest of their lives sort of unfolding's works. studying his works. and shaping the ministry. so he is without a doubt one of the great minds of the 20th century. and for many of those men, that is what called them into ministry to begin with. >> debra, for a lot of catholics benedict was a man of contradictions. holding strict church doctrine

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they're among many others. but as we watch these pictures. tell us what we are seeing and what your observations are george. >> chris, we are seeing members of the college of cardinals invested in red coming into the so grotto. this platform in front of the basilica of saint peter. to celebrate the mass. there was an astonishing outpouring of registration from bishops and priests who wanted to come and celebrate this mass. 4500 priests registered as of yesterday morning. 500 bishops. from all over the world. this is a sense of the deep respect in which this 95-year-old man was held. and there is one other thing to mention. i might mention before the mass actually starts. this is the end of an era.

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fall in love with jesus christ and with god the father. and that is how he understood his role in the world. he was not a great showman. was not a scintillating public presence. but i believe that people will be reading his speeches and his homilies literally hundreds of years from now. they're so deep and so thoughtful that there is things to be learned through decades and centuries to come. >> chris, let us talk a little bit about what we are going to see today. because i was struck as i was following what the vatican officials were saying. the lead up to this just how much of new territory we are in. and i mentioned this earlier. that there is a lot of what we will see today that has been seen in past funerals, but talk a little bit about the conversation you have had with

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