and you could see concurrence from judge henderson, if they were unanimously could affect the prospects for a remand, and remand might entail a subsequent round of appeals under the remanded standard by trump and a little bit more delay. it also could affect whether the supreme court takes review. so that lower level, there was some drama. i think people were basically not confident about the way in which the panel, the panel will reject his claim. they will do it quickly. the exact rationale is a little bit uncertain, i'd say. >> i just be clear on the definition of a rebound, remained is when an appellate sends it back down one level and they say we are going to put -- we want you to reassess this issue, but with these sort of parameters. and you heard jack smith attorney say, no, no, no, that's a terrible idea, let's not open that can of worms. like, you guys should affirm, and on and let's get on with the trial. if he's got appealed, he makes them after judgment, just like everyone else.