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i will express differences and articulate them, and certainly point out where we have differences of opinion, because i believe that democrats and the american voter have the right to know that. but there is no reason we can t be polite. well, biden campaign officials tell nbc that the former veep is not naive about being attacked by the democrats, but he is fully prepared to point out where other candidates may not be as on solid ground as they think they are when they attack them. for more i m joined by symone sanders, senior adviser to the biden campaign. thank you. this is the rematch, ali/fraser. how is joe going to be different this time? look, vice president biden uniquely understands that he will be a target on that stage for a number of people, but he also knows that the american people are tuning in to the debate because they want to hear his plans for the future, specifically, chris, when we talk about health care. so you expect us to draw stark contrasts between ourse ....
He is closing down everything we are trying to do. we can t get anything past this guy. this is not democratic. this is just obstructionism. and how do you beat him so that republicans are finally embarrassed by this guy and people like mitt romney break loose or susan collins or somebody? is there any way to beat mitch mcconnell, honestly? john heilemann? well, chris, i think you know the only way to beat mitch mcconnell is with actual raw political power, and that power is going to come from the ballot box. so a situation in which donald trump suffered a devastating large landslide loss in 2020 and democrats either retook control of the united states senate or came close, i would say actually probably they would need to take control of the united states senate. that scenario that takes mcconnell out of the majority leader s job and that makes the republican party recognize that they are paying a giant ....
My dad dragged the family around. we used to follow adolph rupp s kentucky wildcats throughout the late 60s and 70s. and my dad would have never understood any american doing what mitch mcconnell s doing right now. the cia, the republican appointed director of the cia, the republican-appointed director of the fbi, the republican-appointed director of national intelligence, the republican pointed department of homeland security chief, the united states military have all said explicitly, here we go, are you ready for this? that russia poses a grave threat to american democracy. they said that. not democrats, not talk show hosts on msnbc. the fbi, the cia, the dni, the united states military, all said that russia was doing that, and we needed to try to stop it. and, chris, he s not just ....
Elrod, former senior adviser to the hillary clinton campaign, john heilemann, msnbc national affairs analyst, and danielle moodie-mills, siriusxm radio. thank you all for joining us right now. i want to go through the list. john heilemann, tonight everybody is watching this fight. yes, sir. it s like a heavyweight fight between the reigning heavyweight in the polls and someone who may well end up the nominee, but it s moving up certainly. yes. and, look, chris, you got joe biden who took those blows in the first debate. his numbers have bounced back to a large extent. but there is no one, including no one around joe biden in the joe biden campaign who doesn t recognize the stakes here that the calling card for this candidacy is that he is the one best equipped to take on donald trump, and that two bad debate performances would put a huge dent in that aura. so there is expectation and a fair amount of nerves on the part of the people around biden about whether or not he is going ....
They re all talking about legislation basically. programs they re going to push through. medicare for all, the whole thing. and i kept thinking wait a minute, there is something missing here. you need 60 votes in the u.s. senate. that means you need a big majority, a super majority for any of these programs. you can maybe play around with the tax system, but you can t do anything in terms of programs without 60 senators. john, you start here. what world are they talking about in 2021 when we have 47 democratic senators now with an unlikely ability to even get 50, let alone 60? yeah, chris, i think they re talking a little along the lines of what governor bullock said last night from the stage there is a little bit of a wish list quality to some of the democratic proposals. it is the case that there are a lot of democrats that think the more cautious, more pragmatic style of politics that hillary clinton practiced in 2016 did not work against donald trump. and so now the argument goes ....