To take exemptions he could, and two, how much he paid in taxes. our top rate was 19%. he paid 35%, 36%. we're talking 14% for romney. those rules about taxation changed the norm of how elites comport themselves. there's a connection between those two things. from that sense, mitt romney is remarkably representative not just of who mitt romney is as a person but as an entire class, frankly, that has loosed itself from the bounds of a norm of good conduct, of probe ate, of following the law in its intent and spirit. >> and their own behavior is rationally related to the health of a country. >> ...