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Outline over the coming weeks -- chris: but doesn't it make it a little bit hard, i mean, let's say that jonah's right and this was a quid pro quo. in the end -- and i know people said, well, attempted robbery, one's not as bad as the other, but they're both crimes, but in the end, ukraine did get the aid, and they never do did do an investigation. again, is that worth kicking a president who was duly elected by other 60 million people out of office? >> i think it is. and i think the democrats will play this smartly if they keep it focused on ukraine. there are democrats who wanted to impeach ...

Outline over the coming weeks -- chris: but doesn't it make it a little bit hard, i mean, let's say that jonah's right and this was a quid pro quo. in the end -- and i know people said, well, attempted robbery, one's not as bad as the other, but they're both crimes, but in the end, ukraine did get the aid, and they never do did do an investigation. again, is that worth kicking a president who was duly elected by other 60 million people out of office? >> i think it is. and i think the democrats will play this smartly if they keep it focused on ukraine. there are democrats who wanted to impeach ...

Outline over the coming weeks -- chris: but doesn't it make it a little bit hard, i mean, let's say that jonah's right and this was a quid pro quo. in the end -- and i know people said, well, attempted robbery, one's not as bad as the other, but they're both crimes, but in the end, ukraine did get the aid, and they never do did do an investigation. again, is that worth kicking a president who was duly elected by other 60 million people out of office? >> i think it is. and i think the democrats will play this smartly if they keep it focused on ukraine. there are democrats who wanted to impeach ...