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It is a sad kind of toddler-like argument they're making and i think it tells you they're really at a desperate place. >> separations of pow oers is a real argument and it is in court right now. absolutely. it's in court right now in term oz of getting grand jury testimony. we'll see how that case can comes out but there are larger questions that have political questions attached and answers will be political as well. thank you for the arguments. appreciate it. we're going to pick this up with someone that could be one of the president's jurors if the house does vote to impeach. senator amy ...

The ukrain phone call? it was just dramaatized but it was real. >> when the presidents does it is a lie and you know what you would say? jimmy, you wouldn't call the president a liar. go ahead. >> i mean listen. what we have right now is again and i've said this before a prim primau -- prima facie case. if it's excanical puatory evidence it would be from those working on behalf of this call including ambassador who was ready to testify today. in other words he has the opportunity to present exculpatory evidence if he has

>> only in a kangaroo court. >> as i was thing about if i was president, the thought that you have your energy secretary say we should work with this person and your answer is not let's talk to thes secretary of state. instead it's go to my private attorney. i think it's part of a pattern where this president is putting his own private attorney, his private interests, partisan political interests in front of the interests of our count cannery. instead of talking to the new head of ukrain about russian invasions and the annexation of crimea and what we should do, he's talking to him about diggi...

So put on your investigator hat for a second. the idea of after the call people scrambling, talking to lawyers about how to clear it up, basically evidencing what we saw from acting ambassador taylor in term s of are we conditioning the aid on this deal with biden? and we know that moves forward to a point where the energy secretary comes back from ukrain and says from the president i think you should work for this guy. and the president says to him go to rudy. convince him you get my okay. >> i think a lot of this is based on anonymous sources we can't confirm. i see a very bias process not f...

Role in what they're going to do with the ukrain. they talk about him luke they're going to get his approval and then of course they kind of top off with the references that you pointed to. >> investigatively, when does it become more than style points where the president could say i get it. you don't like what i do. i understand. you think i shouldn't have done it this way. i get it. that's my discretion about how i do the job and how i feel about the countries i'm going to give our money too and this is not a high crime. >> that's a good argument for the president to make. he has enormous au...