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Beyond this kind of scope specifically about russians in the 2016? so we've said my family's off limits. he's saying -- >> finances. >> finances are off limit. and as everyone knows if you're going to appropriately investigate, even the issue of whether there was a conspiracy with russia, you have to follow the money and the money is going to take you into circuitous roots, particularly if there's bank and wire fraud for example, one of the things we've seen from people close to him say paul manafort. and his former attorney. >> right. well, which is why the crow bar of prying that open is so ...

Whether there was a conspiracy with russia, you have to follow the money and the money is going to take you into circuitous roots, particularly if there's bank and wire fraud for example, one of the things we've seen from people close to him say paul manafort. and his former attorney. >> right. well, which is why the crow bar of prying that open is so deadly to them, your reporting indicating, "new york times" showing black and white evidence of tax fraud in that incredible piece they did. your reporting showing something that looks like, at the very least, indictable levels of fraudulent clai...