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Wheeler. the first time i talked to him was february 23rd. so this nonsense that he said he had been pinpointed is all bs. rod wheeler wasn't pinpointed. rod wheeler spoke to the riches for two weeks back and forth way contract. the whole contract negotiation, chris, according to rod wheeler was erin rich and aaron risch's wife saying don't ever look into wikileaks. don't ever talk about e-mails. if you listen and go to debunking rod wheeler's claims.com, there's a 27-minute audio there of rod wheeler stating all of this. so rod wheeler then is now involved. there wasn't any of this nonsense t...

Said he would take a meeting as busy as he was at the time with somebody he kind of knows but not that well. >> no, it was -- i was happy. an aapparently he like meed more than i thought. >> when you told him about the tape, before you switch on to what shirtmaker you use, what did he say? >> which we really did, believe it or not. >> i'm not saying you're not telling it the truth. >> he said to me, right, i told him after he heard it, by the way, and cy hersh can say whatever he wants. i didn't make any conclusion. go listen to it and anybody who listens to it will say, hey, there's something...

Dc detective equal the white house in your voice mail? >> well, that's what i'm trying to explain to you. >> but help us understand that part. how does a dc detective get coded as houwhite house? what does he have to do with the white house. >> that's what i'm trying to say. he wanted whistleblower status according to rod wheeler because he had a lot of stuff to expose and rod wheeler had been talking to him. matter of fact, rod wheeler's notes with joey day la camera is on a website called debunking rod wheeler's claims.com. it's all listed there. rod wheeler was trying to help him because he...

Say. he wanted whistleblower status according to rod wheeler because he had a lot of stuff to expose and rod wheeler had been talking to him. matter of fact, rod wheeler's notes with joey day la camera is on a website called debunking rod wheeler's claims.com. it's all listed there. rod wheeler was trying to help him because he was in a lot of trouble to get whistleblower status. >> what does that have to do with saying that the white house is interested? why wouldn't you say day la camera. >> why did you say white house? >> what i said was rod wheeler asked me to see what we could do to see i...

>> it's not like or dislike. it's about testing them. >> go for it. >> so the idea of what you said in the voice mail is code for something that's completely different is a curious situation as it the text as is you being on tape talking to wheeler acknowledging that you knew that wheeler had been quoted in ways that were inaccurate. how do you explain that. >> that's not true either. let me explain that one. rod wheeler called me up and said, ed, malia zimmerman misquoted me. i said i don't understand because you -- there's e-mails back and forth that you not only approved the quotes but you ...