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Classic reformer. this is what killed him, gun control. it's for real. it can ruin a career. >> but our ability to grow as a people is also for real. our ability to evolve, our ability to look at the fact that our gun laws and the ability for people to purchase assault combat weapons makes us an anomaly in the free world. those are things we're capable of. growing in our understanding of one another and what we can do to put bad guys in jail, protect kids, and have sensible -- >> we meet here in september after this end of this session. do you think we'll have a bill that does something real a...

On this issue? that's where we are right now. >> when i ran for re-election, i carried counties and mercer county that are nra counties because i'd done other stuff. not because i convinced them about guns. and one last thing. and martin o'malley has done this consistently as governor. it's about time our elected officials risk their future. if you have to risk losing, risk it on protecting children. risk it on doing something incredibly meaningful to end this carnage. if you're not going to risk for something like that, then why are you in office? >> let me bring it back to that question. we ...