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Going to attract graffiti. Its very likely going to have a negative effect on the artwork itself. So, we are building parameters around that and trying to work with the subculture, trying to work with those artists, but also understand graffiti is graffiti. Our by law in vancouver states that even if you give an artist permission to put up graffiti on your wall, it has to go. They dont permit graffiti on your walls. Whether thats in a mural or whether thats just a tag on your wall. So, even if it is done with permission, with consent, if somebody complains or if one of our by law officers come...

Would be where i would want to be. If they showed they made the effort to remove it, unless its extremely bad, i think theyre doing their Due Diligence to try and remove the graffiti. All right, thank you. Do you want to is that one red or is that because there was red and it was asked by the same person. It was red and then asked by the same person. You know what, i can see a bunch of hands up here. Iv see this guy back here with his hand up a couple a half hour now. If im going to be honest about it. So, were going to have him ask your question. Yeah, this is to dpw, but how do you cite your...

Presentation, we dont have those in the city of vancouver. We dont allow that. So, all murals have to go through a permit system. So, any building that wants to put something up, they have to get like a permit from the city. And if the city finds something that they dont like and it doesnt have a permit, theyll take it down and charge them on their taxes. So, thats i think a very key component to any ordinance that would be enacted in the city that you want to control the image making. This is not the art historian. This is like a civic administrator or urban planner. You want to control the i...

Just one quick comment on antigraffiti coatings for those in the talk. This is a repeat. But we have to be very careful in selecting those materials and methods as well because sometimes just the coating alone can do more damage to historic fabric than not having it. So, we have to be looking at other strategies besides what i call it, what glue do i use. We have to be looking at strategies more on the prevention end. Are we using motion cameras, lighting, sprinkler systems, relandscaping, fencing. The more we do, the more successful were going to be. On the preventive end well have a quick qu...

Neighbors where one had painted a sunflower on her garage and the other neighbor didnt like it. And the officer clearly made the distinction it was put on with permission. So, permission is considered in the decisionmaking process, but its not an overall factor. So, if the by law officer had determined that that was a nuisance, the Property Owner would have been forced to remove it, but in this situation made a determination that it wasnt a nuisance, that it was put on, it wasnt detracting from the neighborhood and it was allowed to remain. It gives the officers a lot of leeway. We are looking...