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This is connected to a man in miami. what gives here? >> the allegation that he beat the crap out of someone down there. look, they're going to bring charges with that. fred, in the instant case, they want to know about hernandez's house because there's a determination made that the surveillance system was intentionally destroyed. in addition to that, his cell phone was destroyed, and in addition to that, of course, he's not talking which he should not be talking to anybody. these coincidences -- in addition to that, they brought in a cleaning crew to scrub down his house. this is kind of inte...

In three or four pieces. when the security camera is at his house, when the hard drive and the device to record, people coming in and out that's destroyed, we presume the owner who has control over it did it. when a cleaning crew comes in and scours your house, we presume it's the owner of the house who hired the cleaning crew. that does not a murderer make. there's also the association with the car, the rental car. >> so far that is the only hard evidence? >> right. that is the only thing police are saying connects him. police are saying he is not a suspect. he's a person of interest. et cete...

Provided a smashed up cell phone, perhaps a cleaning crew came in and cleaned his home, perhaps the surveillance cameras in his home were tampered with. that would raise red flags for a prosecutor. that would raise red flags for, you know, the government and law enforcement. certainly you would start looking at obstruction of justice, start looking at tampering with evidence. bottom line is, any lawyer's going to start saying, well, why, if he did those things, what does he have to hide? why would he do that? and so certainly it's looking like he is part of this investigation. >> all right. su...

Information. >> shepard: let's get to arthur. current criminal defense attorney, legal analyst and "studio b" contributor. aaron hernias deshas problem -- aaron hernandez has problems. >> that's an understatement. we know his phone is broken and turned over. in pieces. his home surveillance system has been tampered with and things have been re- raced or attempted to be erased. it's very difficult to really delete those hard drives so my guess is the fbi, who will be involved in this, will be able to uncover all that. then the cleaning crew coming in -- >> all of a sudden on murder -- >> it's l...

Thank you, ben. >> thank you. >> let's bring in our legal panel, defense lawyer bernie grimm and ted williams. ben will stick around us with. let me ask you first, ted. your thoughts. >> well, yeah, very suspicious activity. i mean, we know that the timeline is very significant and important in this case, and they were together from friday to monday, and i was asking bernie earlier, any nexus between saturday to monday when the body was found? and from what i understand, thy were also together according to the reporter here. you look at the suspicious activity, destroying a camera, having a cl...