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Discussions in this country. >> all right. you compared this in your piece to what the chinese tried to do in 1996. and we know that there was an attempt by foreign agents they are to influence the campaign on behalf of bill clinton. and you say, that was not decisive either. >> well, it wasn't decisive, it was hundreds of thousands of dollars, it was probably bigger and of course, money meant a little bit more in 1996. it was probably bigger but we kept it in proportion. we did investigate it. there were some fundraisers who were prosecuted. it was clear that the chinese government had a quot...

Chinese tried to do in 1996, we know that there was an attempt by foreign agents there to influence the campaign on behalf of bill clinton. when you say that wasn't decisive either. >> well, it wasn't decisive, it was hundreds of thousands of dollars, it was probably bigger and, of course, meant a little bit more in 1996. it was probably bigger and we kept it in proportion. we did investigate it. there were fundraisers that were prosecuted. it was clear that the chinese government had a, quote, china plan but we didn't make it a national fixation, we tighten up validation and we should tighten...