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That perhaps we don't have a full grasp on. i think people are still somewhat undecided because the language in the report wasn't decisive, as you know. he's clearly stated he could not proceed with indicting or accusing the president, that it wasn't constitutional, but he did not exonerate him in the obstruction of justice charge. so people are still somewhat confused. i think they hear from mueller himself, that will further help create greater confidence from the american people. >> mueller made it explicitly clear he reads it as unconstitutional to move to indict a sitting president. what'...

Election. a lot of it tearing down hillary clinton. a lot of it boosting donald trump. and given in an election where it came down to fewer to 80,000 votes it's hard to imagine that that wasn't decisive. it wasn't the only factor. hillary clinton had a lot of problems as candidate. james comey had a lot to do with those problems in the middle of the election. there were clearly other factors. to try to argue at this point that, you know, the enormous russian effort had no bearing on the outcome it's hard to make that claim. >> i think most people would agree with that. the question everyone ha...

Discussions in this country. >> all right. you compared this in your piece to what the chinese tried to do in 1996. and we know that there was an attempt by foreign agents they are to influence the campaign on behalf of bill clinton. and you say, that was not decisive either. >> well, it wasn't decisive, it was hundreds of thousands of dollars, it was probably bigger and of course, money meant a little bit more in 1996. it was probably bigger but we kept it in proportion. we did investigate it. there were some fundraisers who were prosecuted. it was clear that the chinese government had a quot...

Chinese tried to do in 1996, we know that there was an attempt by foreign agents there to influence the campaign on behalf of bill clinton. when you say that wasn't decisive either. >> well, it wasn't decisive, it was hundreds of thousands of dollars, it was probably bigger and, of course, meant a little bit more in 1996. it was probably bigger and we kept it in proportion. we did investigate it. there were fundraisers that were prosecuted. it was clear that the chinese government had a, quote, china plan but we didn't make it a national fixation, we tighten up validation and we should tighten...

I'll say, politically. i'm sure jennifer will agree with this. the enduring credit for success is not as enduring as the negative to failure. particularly when it comes to foreign policy. jennifer will remember in the 1992 campaign, george h.w. bush started out with a 91% approval and lost to her candidate, bill clinton. so these people expect their commander in chief to be able to be competent and execute. the president did and he'll get credit for it. it's just not necessarily a sustainable credit. but it was good for him. also in his commander in chief credibility, which he needed to do. so...