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Arc of these investigations, things still tend to fall his way. but he's no longer president, and even former trump officials will tell you the facts particularly in the mar-a-lago investigation are concerning for his legal team. >> as you note, in a lot of these cases, trump appointed judges who are deciding against him. joining us to discuss, elliot williams and kirsten powers. >> lots of developments as always in the legal sphere. i want to drill down on the one about pat cipollone and patrick philbin having to testify. the court rejecting trump's arguments, a broad executive privilege and ...

Makes that could be persuasive to this judge. if the judge finds that these are good arguments, particularly the crime fraud exception, that's just one step because what the committee is asking that the judge take a look at these 11,000 documents and determine which ones do fall under the crime fraud exception. it's just one step along the way and it's the midst of the committee's investigation, and it does show what they believe the evidence is pointing to at this point. >> i am curious, i assume that many federal government has attempted to do this with mob attorneys. what is the success rat...

Stephanie. >> wow. joining me now, stay with us, ken, "los angeles times" white house reporter my friend eli stokele. former assistance u.s. attorney kim wale. and one of my faves, ned price. kim what does it signal, splitting up with his attorneys? >> i don't think it signals anything in particular other than we have a shift here. >> why would you do that? >> we saw it with rick gates. we saw it with flynn. there could be just a decision to shift strategies. i mean, this lawyer that they have, this law firm, went through 3.7 million documents. that's very expensive. they made a largely frivol...