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Vice president joe biden. joining me is democratic congressman of virginia. he's a member of the congressional black caucus. why do you think joe biden has the best chance of beating donald trump out of 24 candidates? >> well, first of all let me thank you for having me on your show. >> thank you for coming. >> joe biden has demonstrated his loyalty to president obama. he was a great vice president. he was a good first mate, if you will. when i know we look at policies, folks act like he just arrived to the progressive wing of the party but in reality he put in the first climate bill back in 1...

Drill for more oil and trying to get more efficient cars and trying to build new nuclear power plants. so that's his message that he's putting forward. i don't really see, though, that this speech that he made today is going to translate effectively into legislative action. because the two parties just continue to fight. as you just previewed, are very far apart on the solutions to america's energy situation. >> is he going to throw the epa party under the bus? >> i think obama will definitely throw the epa under the bus if he gets proactive legislative agenda to replace it. >> like what? >> w...