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and guillotines, you all. that's what we're talking about. it will only happen if the voters allow him to do it. plus, nikki haley wants the gop nomination for president. if she can't take on her former bass does she have what it takes to be commander in chief? also tonight, the long reach of the big lie. colorado secretary of state jim griswold is here to talk about a brand new threat from election deniers. later, it's blacker all freedom week. how all of us can empower americans fastest-growing new group of entrepreneurs. this is american voices. hello, i'm michael steele in for al...

Trail of politics all that. disinformation arose that. the kinds of things that the president says not just about capital punishment and the justice system, but about 2020 election, the 2022 election and a number of things. are their own form of powerful disinformation, coming from a former president which is quite a megaphone, and clinton effect. >> andy, ruth, asawin, a troubling conversation, but an important. we thank you very much. coming, up trump's big lie unleashed a monster that is still a threat to american democracy. colorado state secretary of state jena griswold on the election de...

Reagan. gentlemen, great to see you. governor dean, great to see you in person. >> nice to be back. >> let's talk about the clinton effect. you have been on the stage as a presidential candidate. like bernie sanders, you were this progressive coming from the left and this is one of hillary clinton's biggest concerns as the establishment candidate. you support hillary clinton. what do you suggest she does to engage and energize folks like we have seen bernie sanders be able to do? >> just be herself. that's the best advice i give any candidate. that's one of bernie's strengths. he's just himsel...

From the president and said to some extent you are seeing the clinton effect. why take the risks of worging in a second obama administration when you can make $300,000 and work for hillary. this is a democrat saying this. a blind quote, here's the thing. it's stunning to read and not stunning to hear. >> it's not stunning at all in the fact that it's the way washington thinks. if you told me the president would not pass gun control, of course not. immigration we thought was something where there was potential for movement. part of this is the republicans. there is big policy visiting the repub...