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Deutch, but he was there. they talked about the fact they will end up in federal court this afternoon using very strong language if the dnc doesn't give back the information and access to their own curated files about their campaign, saying that this is incompetence of the dnc, that they brought this up to the dnc originally two months ago because of a firewall failure. they are saying it's basically the dnc's fault that this happened. they also discussed their own liability of having a campaign staffer access and probe clinton information. now, they are saying they did not retain or possess a...

Within their custodianship, if that makes sense. we didn't, at least to my knowledge, we did not export any records of voter file data that were based on those so yes, we did establish proofs that there was a problem so that, a, we understood what that problem was and b, we could accurately report that up the chain. that did take us some time to figure out. >> but the problem besides the firewall being down, what are you able to establish by going into her voter -- i think that's the confusing part to people here. if you went into her voter files, if you searched them, if you copied informatio...

Part of the dnc and certainly the picture that weaver is painting here does point to that, but ultimately, there was an opportunity here for people on the sanders campaign to get inside and to look at what the clinton campaign had been putting together and at least one person on the sanders campaign took advantage of that opportunity. that is the one thing that we do know here. so it is a little bit like saying, you know, hey, if the money falls off the brinks frtrk is it the fault of the truck or the fault of the person who picks it up. ultimately there is culpability on the part of the sande...

Correspondent, mark murray is our nbc news senior political editor, joy reid is author of "fracture, barack obama, the clintons and the racial divide." steve, let me start with you. help everybody at home understand why this is so important, especially when we are just ramping up to the next democratic debate tomorrow night. >> yeah. well, think of that next democratic debate tomorrow night in new hampshire, the leadoff primary state, the other leadoff state iowa, the caucus state. these are both states when we talk about how you win them, we always talk about the ground game. we always talk a...

Presidential campaign all the way through but its clientele consists of progressive and democratic clients. now you have a non-democrat coming in with full access. these are their own files, again, it's not access to all the democratic voter files, but this company essentially holds everything. if you want to do a phone bank, if you want to do door knocking in iowa, all that data is being held by this data security company. so what you are hearing now from sanders supporters and from the sanders campaign is that the dnc which is partial to hillary clinton is now not letting them access their o...