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Power. and he is like a deming clinton. there is a clinton-ism about it, on a much, much smaller scale, but it reminds democratic voters of the reliability is of picking somebody so close to the senate of power for so many decades. >> harris: it is interesting, on last hours speed of -- "outnumbered," tyrus was with us, saying that hunter said the right things. it was probably not a good idea to take a job when your father is the vice president, and in charge of ukraine. and you did not have experience for that. >> i am a dad, i'm sure that it is very hard to try to navigate this stuff. his fa...

He would have this incoming given he's the front-runner but what do you think is the impact on his race? >> well, i think we have to always be mindful that there is a deep idealogical debate happening within the democratic party right now. we saw it in 2016 with regards to hillary clinton's candidacy and some believe that that debate, that fissure led to the election of donald trump. but we do know the rejection of clinton-ism is a part of that debate. and so biden in some ways represents that current. even with his association with president obama. so just as hillary clinton caught hell for h...

A living wage, $15 an hour paired health care is a right of all people, not a privilege. radical ideas are now mainstream ideas because of your support. >> shannon: a lot of people running now have some of those same ideas. >> they say they do. elizabeth warren, i think, out matches him. i think she has a lot of the same ideas, running basically in the same lane. think has serious structural advantages. but remember, there is nothing new about democrats wanting these things. this is, in fact, the stuff democrats talked about in the '40s and 'fix 50s, an apostle he 60s. this is the way back mac...

Seeing clinton-ism restored to its rightful place and that's good for his wife should she decide to run for president in 2016, seeing the clinton brand and the clinton era glorified by this president, is good for business. >> and as you pointed out and i recall, during the nevada caucuses back in 2008, that's when it really got very edgy with president clinton because he felt that president obama's comments praising ronald reagan as being the historic figure were a slap at his presidency and went downhill from there. we saw what happened in south carolina and pennsylvania primary. but they rea...