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Does want the clinton rules which passed the senate at the time 100-0. >> that's right. >> they heard presentations from both sides and made decisions about witnesses at that point. if you listen to senator murkowski's interview all the way through, she wants the clinton rules which is what mcconnell has said. there's an effort to be made here to put some daylight between murkowski and the rest of her colleagues but it strikes me the republicans are on the same page. >> to press you on that. the result after that 100-0 vote, trent lott working together with tom daschle, they settled on three w...

Where she's playing games. she also understands that she doesn't have any leverage in the senate process. she has met mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell isn't someone that is going to listen to the house democrats in terms of what he thinks the process should be in the senate. so this idea that she thought somehow that she had leverage, i don't think she ever really thought that because she knows how this process works and she wants to sort of honor the traditions of what this process has looked like before, go according to the constitution and also keep the sober and somberness of it and not en...

The factual rules need to be adopted. it was interesting in speaker pelosi's press conference that she actually echoed the clinton rules which is something that mitch mcconnell was also talking about. under the clinton rules it's sort of a multi-part process that starts with extensive presentations by lawyers for the president and for the house and after those presentations are done and after senators can ask the lawyers questions, then and only then is the issue of actual witnesses raised. >> there's a lot going on here, guys. if you could stand by, because joining me is one of the senators w...

Trance mi transmit. i know it sounds wonky but welcome to the constitution which is a class that we're getting in this process, when the house must transfer the articles over to the senate. you studied impeachment. what are the rules, and do you think the democrats would have leverage here? >> yeah, so it is wonky. it's also unusual. remember, this is the third impeachment of a president in u.s. history. this doesn't happen all the time. there aren't that many rules. there are some senate rules that govern the process and i think what some folks seized on last night and it's been percolating f...

In the house if you guys hadn't been stonewalling us. it becomes circular at a certain point. >> i think what senator mcconnell is saying is that he's looking to adopt essentially the first part of the clinton rules. what happened first were opening arguments, long opening arguments by the house managers, members of congress -- members of the house who were essentially acting as prosecutors and the president's defense lawyers. and after that, and only after that, then the senators will decide whether they want testimony and in what format. so that's what senator mcconnell is suggesting, that a...