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Lot of lives. you're reframing away. john allen? >> well, crack cocaine is fun. it doesn't necessarily mean it should be available to everyone. >> and it will kill you. >> pause right there. what you just said, one of those things applies to the ar-15s, it does kill you. the other doesn't, it is legal. >> jonathan and then rick. >> i'm not making an argument one way or the other here, i'm saying the argument that it's fun doesn't necessarily mean it should be legal. i think we've seen something really important today and over the course of the last few weeks and i know people are deeply frustr...

>> so some guns shoot like the ar-15, there are many other guns that shoot as well as -- >> you can limit the clip capacity. >> when gabby giffords got shot in the head, a member of congress, when he shot her, he had to stop to reload. >> we're talking about whether the value of the ar-15 is so positive and so good that it outweigh what is we're seeing across the country. erin? i want to make sure everyone gets a turned. >> obviously they should be banned. >> they were banned in 1994. do you know how many were turned in? zero. zero! >> you want to do this? he is like a lawyer's lawyer. >> be c...

Are we seeing that play out on the guns issue as well? >> i think the president seems to have a pretty good feel for what his backers and the gun owners of america, the national rifle association and others want. he was already somebody who was in favor of legislation to repeal the gun-free school zones act, which basically didn't allow for teachers to carry. now what we're hearing about plans to possibly subsidize and train teachers to carry weapons. and if the debate is about that, then donald trump and those who argue strenuously for limited limitations on the second amendment are winning i...

Than one very bold statement about an issue only to backtrack as he starts to have private conversations with his own staff in the white house or with outside groups. you saw this on immigration. are we seeing that play out on the guns issue as well? >> i think the president seems to have a pretty good feel for what his backers and the gun owners of america, the national rifle association and others want. he was already somebody who was in favor of legislation to repeal the gun-free school zones act, which basically didn't allow for teachers to carry. now what we're hearing about plans to poss...

Argue strenuously for limited limitations on the second amendment are winning in terms of where that ground is. they're not talking about limiting clip capacity, they're not talking about weapons themselves and instead talking about arming schoolteachers, perhaps tightening background checks, getting rid of bump stocks, accessories, basically, that's good ground for trump to be on to protect what second amendment advocates say is almost an invaluable right to bear arms. >> where should republicans be on this today in the wake of parkland as the students are clearly making an impact that maybe ...