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It's not my guy which is what we have to backup to when they realize there is evidence coming up. >> it is a brilliant strategy, don't you think? we get information and report manafort comes out, right? all of a sudden rudy giuliani comes on and he gets this whole chaos -- it is a brilliant strategy because it is almost like clock ward, don't you think? >> if he does it all the time. it's a whole strange acts that he does sometimes. some people may think that rudy giuliani lost it. it is a question, why does he want to hit the his historical -- the strategy is oh yeah of course the campaign ma...

Is just his sort of get us spinning. >> well, i think he knows that the end is coming. mueller is starting to wrap up and there are a couple of areas left to do. most of the things have started to resolve. he knows information is going to get out and there is going to be evidence of collusion between the campaign and the russians. he's trying to get in front of that by saying okay maybe that's there and we don't know. we have to backup to when they realize there is evidence coming up. >> it is a brilliant strategy, don't you think? we get information and report manafort comes out, right? all o...