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Schizophrenia is hard to fathom. he may be someone who's spoken the language of reform at different times. on the other hand, he's the butcher doing his father ministering when it was called for. so how does david from your perspective, what does the white house do? >> we keep the pressure on militarily. stlrp so there were some flickering signs that gadhafi's forces have been worn down some. i think this is a time for quiet diplomacy. there are people in europe who know libya better than we do. and we do have to work with them on this. i do think we want to keep the arab league quiet during t...

That is credible. >> chris: less than two minutes left. steve, one other thing to bring up. the other big development, i want to ask how big it is, two top libyan officials, the foreign minister and the former foreign minister both defected. how significance that? >> it could be significant because it shows there is a nervousness around muammar gaddafi if there is not -- if gaddafi is not nervous himself. the troubling thing for united states is we're not doing the things by sending the mixed signals that charles mention and signs that we may be timid or not committed to actually winning and r...

>> chris: less than two minutes left. steve, one other thing to bring up. the other big development, i want to ask how big it is, two top libyan officials, the foreign minister and the former foreign minister both defected. how significance that? >> it could be significant because it shows there is a nervousness around muammar gaddafi if there is not -- if gaddafi is not nervous himself. the troubling thing for united states is we're not doing the things by sending the mixed signals that charles mention and signs that we may be timid or not committed to actually winning and removing gaddafi. w...